HEAVEN'S GATE AND REVELATION 11-(or how wrong we get it sometimes)
Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Lu Nettles, "Bo" and "Peep" (or Do and Ti) are the mysterious "Two" that appeared in the mid 70's to tell us all of the coming of a spaceship to take us up to the next level. Marshall was raised a Presbyterian and most likely was influenced by his background. They believe that Christians will go THROUGH the tribulation and THEN be "raptured" (what the Two thought was the UFO or spaceship coming to get the faithful).
There is a religious component to this whole thing in that Applewhite and Nettles believed they were the two witnesses from Revelation 11. Since Nettles died and then some years later in 1997 Marshall Applewhite committed suicide with a number of his followers they CAN'T be the two from Revelation:
Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
So as you can see, if you follow things literally and linearly, the two must first be killed and then lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 days for the world to see. THEN be raised up and called up to heaven (a sort of "post" rapture). This is followed by an earthquake destroying 1/10 of Jerusalem and 7000 men.
None of this of course happened with the Heaven's Gate crowd so we can pretty much dispense with the idea that they were in fact the "Two". I left out the part where they spit fire out of their mouths to destroy those who would kill them.
I believe all this is a result of a flawed timeline and thus producing a flawed theology. David Koresh of the Branch Davidians was guilty of the same mistakes in thinking. For someone coming out of the Adventist tradition, the world had already entered the End Times in the 1800's according to the prophetess Ellen White. So he felt free to identify himself (blasphemously I might add) with the "Branch" of Jesse and thus usher in the final conflict.
One can only root themselves in Scripture rightly "divided" or you get into a world of weirdness...
Sunday, November 27, 2005
Saturday, November 26, 2005
FOLLOWING THAT STAR AGAIN -
In the book Communion Whitley Strieber makes mention of the idea of "transformation" (also the title of his next book about the visitors). The idea was that the way to Christ is lit by the "Star of Bethlehem" or in Babylonian ISHTAR. Lots of mention is made about the triple goddess (shades of Robert Graves who doesn't even get a byline in this novel/autobiography). He also mentions Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego as having "followed the path of transformation". As if these "Hebrew children" honestly were following the path of Ishtar of the Babylonians of whom they were captives. Just doesn't make much sense does it?
As in ALL hermetic or gnostic tradtions, from which much of modern occultism draws its roots, this transformation is mysterious and in the case of the visitors to Streiber downright malevolent and dark. This idea is surfacing in a number of trends such as the Da Vinci Code. But contrast the sexual assaults and bodily and mental harm done by the aliens, which Strieber hopes will lead to some kind of "transformation" or evolution, with that which happens to simplest soul who comes to Christ for forgiveness:
2Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
You see the misunderstanding is that these other traditions believe the transformation is mystical, something not to be understood by the mind. But TRUE Christianity is involved with the moral soul, and we are in deep need of forgiveness, security and hope beyond the grave.
Once this "door" is opened, the glories of Heaven and God break in the waiting soul...
In the book Communion Whitley Strieber makes mention of the idea of "transformation" (also the title of his next book about the visitors). The idea was that the way to Christ is lit by the "Star of Bethlehem" or in Babylonian ISHTAR. Lots of mention is made about the triple goddess (shades of Robert Graves who doesn't even get a byline in this novel/autobiography). He also mentions Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego as having "followed the path of transformation". As if these "Hebrew children" honestly were following the path of Ishtar of the Babylonians of whom they were captives. Just doesn't make much sense does it?
As in ALL hermetic or gnostic tradtions, from which much of modern occultism draws its roots, this transformation is mysterious and in the case of the visitors to Streiber downright malevolent and dark. This idea is surfacing in a number of trends such as the Da Vinci Code. But contrast the sexual assaults and bodily and mental harm done by the aliens, which Strieber hopes will lead to some kind of "transformation" or evolution, with that which happens to simplest soul who comes to Christ for forgiveness:
2Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
You see the misunderstanding is that these other traditions believe the transformation is mystical, something not to be understood by the mind. But TRUE Christianity is involved with the moral soul, and we are in deep need of forgiveness, security and hope beyond the grave.
Once this "door" is opened, the glories of Heaven and God break in the waiting soul...
Thursday, November 24, 2005
MORE ON "CONTAINERS"-
In the book "Alien Contact", Bob Lazar is quoted as saying that there was an extremely thick and highly classified document about religion and UFO's. He asks "why are there ANY classified documents about religion?" In the document the aliens refer to us as "containers", he thinks this is likely "containers for souls" and that all religion is designed to help take care of the "containers".
He goes on to say that the aliens had engineered Jesus and two other spiritual leaders, they were plants by the aliens to be used at a later time. I have already talked about what I think was and still is the agenda of the aliens, that is to destroy the gospel or its effectiveness by an attack on the nature of Christ. This is what is meant by John's statement in his epistle:
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confessed not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Why is the nature of Christ so important? First off if he is not God then he can in no way forgive sins. Neither can he be the "spotless lamb" or pure one that is necessary for the sacrifice for us (if he was a sinner, even in the very least way, then he too would need someone to die for him, "For the wages of sin is death..." Rom 6:23). But in like manner he would need to be completely human also to die in our stead. Not much good if you are just another "dying God" for poor humankind. This is at the heart of Gospel and it IS interesting that this is right where the attack of the aliens goes.
But what of these "containers"? This is a term of grave significance because it points to the idea of possession!
Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Christ seems to intimate that the phenomena of possession will become more prevalent near the end of days.
Now there is a way where you can stop, reverse and even prevent any such possession (or misuse of YOUR container.)
Fill it with something else (or SOMEONE else)...
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
This is speaking of the Holy Spirit who comes to dwell within you the very minute you accept Christ. Without getting to complicated, or making too much out of metaphors this is VERY simple. What you need to do is simply "believe" that Christ died in your place. This is what is meant by "receiving Christ". You ask him to be your savior and die in your place:
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
You can do this right now by simply praying something like this:
"Dear Jesus, I accept you as my Savior and ask you to come in my life and be my Lord. Thank you for the gift of eternal life."
Once that has happened, you won't have any problem with aliens, possession or "soul trespassing". Sort of kicks those little grey squatters right out!
In the book "Alien Contact", Bob Lazar is quoted as saying that there was an extremely thick and highly classified document about religion and UFO's. He asks "why are there ANY classified documents about religion?" In the document the aliens refer to us as "containers", he thinks this is likely "containers for souls" and that all religion is designed to help take care of the "containers".
He goes on to say that the aliens had engineered Jesus and two other spiritual leaders, they were plants by the aliens to be used at a later time. I have already talked about what I think was and still is the agenda of the aliens, that is to destroy the gospel or its effectiveness by an attack on the nature of Christ. This is what is meant by John's statement in his epistle:
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confessed not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Why is the nature of Christ so important? First off if he is not God then he can in no way forgive sins. Neither can he be the "spotless lamb" or pure one that is necessary for the sacrifice for us (if he was a sinner, even in the very least way, then he too would need someone to die for him, "For the wages of sin is death..." Rom 6:23). But in like manner he would need to be completely human also to die in our stead. Not much good if you are just another "dying God" for poor humankind. This is at the heart of Gospel and it IS interesting that this is right where the attack of the aliens goes.
But what of these "containers"? This is a term of grave significance because it points to the idea of possession!
Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Christ seems to intimate that the phenomena of possession will become more prevalent near the end of days.
Now there is a way where you can stop, reverse and even prevent any such possession (or misuse of YOUR container.)
Fill it with something else (or SOMEONE else)...
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
This is speaking of the Holy Spirit who comes to dwell within you the very minute you accept Christ. Without getting to complicated, or making too much out of metaphors this is VERY simple. What you need to do is simply "believe" that Christ died in your place. This is what is meant by "receiving Christ". You ask him to be your savior and die in your place:
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
You can do this right now by simply praying something like this:
"Dear Jesus, I accept you as my Savior and ask you to come in my life and be my Lord. Thank you for the gift of eternal life."
Once that has happened, you won't have any problem with aliens, possession or "soul trespassing". Sort of kicks those little grey squatters right out!
Wednesday, November 23, 2005
The Watchers -
Da 4:13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;
Da 4:23 And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;
In these verses we see a reference to a class of angel called in other literature as the "grigoire" or the holy watchers. Where it gets strange is apparently some of the watchers ended up not being so holy when it came to the daughters of men. We see this in Genesis 6. But where it connects to the UFO genre is in the incident with Betty Andreasson, she has been communicated a mission by the "Watchers" or the caretakers of the planet. I think this no mistake by the entities but rather a knowing "wink" to those who are in the know as to their actual doings.
In some occult literature, each planet and place is assigned an "angel" (or demon if the angel fell). So we get the idea of "territorial spirits" or "spiritual strongholds" that we must somehow tear down or do battle with. The table of nations in Genesis extends to the number 70, it is this 70 that were "Watched" over by angelic governors. But after the Fall (AND the Fall in heaven) many of these watchers have gone over to the "Dark Side" or Satan. Yet some are still in charge of governments, states and countries. Well meaning saints have gone out to do battle against territorial spirits (or aliens if you will). But they fail to see the reality of the victory that is already won. What has happened is that the entities behind the conspiracy want to make God and them as some sort of equal combatant. Yet that is not the way it is in Scripture, instead we see demons in the presence of Christ quail and tremble.
Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
Luke 8:29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.)
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
One would do well to "test the spirits" or these watchers that Betty met. If we are up against territorial spirits that are out to destroy the gospel of stop it from going forth then we must remember that Christ trumps all, the blood of the cross trumps all. Why go battling head to head when the Blood of Christ is the ultimate weapon, in fact the victory has already been won?
Da 4:13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;
Da 4:23 And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;
In these verses we see a reference to a class of angel called in other literature as the "grigoire" or the holy watchers. Where it gets strange is apparently some of the watchers ended up not being so holy when it came to the daughters of men. We see this in Genesis 6. But where it connects to the UFO genre is in the incident with Betty Andreasson, she has been communicated a mission by the "Watchers" or the caretakers of the planet. I think this no mistake by the entities but rather a knowing "wink" to those who are in the know as to their actual doings.
In some occult literature, each planet and place is assigned an "angel" (or demon if the angel fell). So we get the idea of "territorial spirits" or "spiritual strongholds" that we must somehow tear down or do battle with. The table of nations in Genesis extends to the number 70, it is this 70 that were "Watched" over by angelic governors. But after the Fall (AND the Fall in heaven) many of these watchers have gone over to the "Dark Side" or Satan. Yet some are still in charge of governments, states and countries. Well meaning saints have gone out to do battle against territorial spirits (or aliens if you will). But they fail to see the reality of the victory that is already won. What has happened is that the entities behind the conspiracy want to make God and them as some sort of equal combatant. Yet that is not the way it is in Scripture, instead we see demons in the presence of Christ quail and tremble.
Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
Luke 8:29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.)
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
One would do well to "test the spirits" or these watchers that Betty met. If we are up against territorial spirits that are out to destroy the gospel of stop it from going forth then we must remember that Christ trumps all, the blood of the cross trumps all. Why go battling head to head when the Blood of Christ is the ultimate weapon, in fact the victory has already been won?
Monday, November 21, 2005
THE MILLENIUM AND THE GOLDEN CITY -
In Whitley Strieber's second book, Transformation, he mentions a vision of a "Golden City". This city is a golden hope, a future "heaven" of sorts. He understands that this is somehow connected with the Visitors. This is some kind of racial memory I think, or perhaps simply borrowing of the biblical "New Jerusalem". If one reads the passage in Revelation 21 it certainly SOUNDS like some kind of gigantic mothership landing on the earth. Although such a thing is almost impossible to conceive.
If one maintains my theory that the aliens are nothing more than demons or fallen angels then it fits that their version of the "golden city" is a perversion or twisting of the original message. It is a bait or ploy to bring in Whitley and others.
This entails the idea of the "Millenium", that ever popular 1000 year timespan of peace on the earth. This is also confused in its timeline portrayal in popular culture, you can think back to the TV series Millenium where it opens with the quote about "Satan being unleashed after a 1000 years..." and in the "End of Days" where Satan is unleashed to find an earthly mate and usher in a 1000 years of darkness. Then there is the recent release "Hellboy" where a demon becomes a good guy but his fist of rock is able to unlock the Abyss and usher in guess what? another 1000 year reign! (For REAL horror fans we can only look back to Hitler's 1000 year Reich.)
You confused by this timeline?
Well I will try and give the biblical chronology for you. Unlike many intepreters for Revelation I choose NOT to say its "all symbolic" rather it follows an exact, linear chronology with "parentheses" or parenthetical chapters giving details. So to understand the chronology lets take a trip through the events of the last chapters of Revelation:
Revelation 19 - we see the RETURN of Christ with his saints to end the war of Armageddon and establish his reign on earth.
Revelation 20 - Satan is imprisoned in the Abyss for a thousand years (the much misunderstood millenium). Notice, unlike the TV show he is on the loose now and NOT in prison, also unlike the movie "End of Days" he is free. But he will be imprisoned for 1000 years during the reign of Christ on the earth. In the 7th verse, he is set loose to deceive the nations one last time. There is a final battle for Jerusalem and fight against Christ who is ruling there. Of course he LOSES and is put in the lake of fire (finally!) in verse 10. This is now at the end of the Millenium, what we see next is the "Great White Throne Judgment". The dead great and small must stand before God. This is the judgment of the wicked dead, The sea will also give up its dead. The evil dead have waited 1000 years for judgment. When this is finished we jump into Revelation 21.
Revelation 21- what we see is the molecular destruction of the current time-space continuum (sounds impressive, doesn't it?) Peter describes it this way:
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
THEN the Golden City, the New Jerusalem will come down to earth. This is a massive thing and many bible teachers have differing opinions on its actual shape, cube, pyramid and I have even heard sphere. But whatever it is it has a width, breadth and height of 1500 miles.
So the timeline is as follows:
Armageddon-1000 year reign of Christ with the Devil chained beneath the earth-New Heavens, New Earth and New Jerusalem on the New Earth-
In Whitley Strieber's second book, Transformation, he mentions a vision of a "Golden City". This city is a golden hope, a future "heaven" of sorts. He understands that this is somehow connected with the Visitors. This is some kind of racial memory I think, or perhaps simply borrowing of the biblical "New Jerusalem". If one reads the passage in Revelation 21 it certainly SOUNDS like some kind of gigantic mothership landing on the earth. Although such a thing is almost impossible to conceive.
If one maintains my theory that the aliens are nothing more than demons or fallen angels then it fits that their version of the "golden city" is a perversion or twisting of the original message. It is a bait or ploy to bring in Whitley and others.
This entails the idea of the "Millenium", that ever popular 1000 year timespan of peace on the earth. This is also confused in its timeline portrayal in popular culture, you can think back to the TV series Millenium where it opens with the quote about "Satan being unleashed after a 1000 years..." and in the "End of Days" where Satan is unleashed to find an earthly mate and usher in a 1000 years of darkness. Then there is the recent release "Hellboy" where a demon becomes a good guy but his fist of rock is able to unlock the Abyss and usher in guess what? another 1000 year reign! (For REAL horror fans we can only look back to Hitler's 1000 year Reich.)
You confused by this timeline?
Well I will try and give the biblical chronology for you. Unlike many intepreters for Revelation I choose NOT to say its "all symbolic" rather it follows an exact, linear chronology with "parentheses" or parenthetical chapters giving details. So to understand the chronology lets take a trip through the events of the last chapters of Revelation:
Revelation 19 - we see the RETURN of Christ with his saints to end the war of Armageddon and establish his reign on earth.
Revelation 20 - Satan is imprisoned in the Abyss for a thousand years (the much misunderstood millenium). Notice, unlike the TV show he is on the loose now and NOT in prison, also unlike the movie "End of Days" he is free. But he will be imprisoned for 1000 years during the reign of Christ on the earth. In the 7th verse, he is set loose to deceive the nations one last time. There is a final battle for Jerusalem and fight against Christ who is ruling there. Of course he LOSES and is put in the lake of fire (finally!) in verse 10. This is now at the end of the Millenium, what we see next is the "Great White Throne Judgment". The dead great and small must stand before God. This is the judgment of the wicked dead, The sea will also give up its dead. The evil dead have waited 1000 years for judgment. When this is finished we jump into Revelation 21.
Revelation 21- what we see is the molecular destruction of the current time-space continuum (sounds impressive, doesn't it?) Peter describes it this way:
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
THEN the Golden City, the New Jerusalem will come down to earth. This is a massive thing and many bible teachers have differing opinions on its actual shape, cube, pyramid and I have even heard sphere. But whatever it is it has a width, breadth and height of 1500 miles.
So the timeline is as follows:
Armageddon-1000 year reign of Christ with the Devil chained beneath the earth-New Heavens, New Earth and New Jerusalem on the New Earth-
Sunday, November 20, 2005
Elves, Christmas, Grey Aliens...
Here's the link:
http://www.ccg.org/english/s/p235.html
and here is a short excerpt:
"The Shetlanders name these holidays the Yules. Seven days before Christmas, the elves called Trows by the Shetlanders are let free from their homes in the earth and dwell above ground if it pleases them. This is the probable origin of the elf symbolism of and with Santa Claus. It seems to relate back to the concept of the misrule of the seven days of the Saturnalia leading up to 25 December.
The most important of the rituals in Yule was the saining, which had to be properly carried out to deal with the grey folk as the elves were called.
The modern myths emanating from the USA regarding alien greys, is none other than the revamping of the elves at Yule.
On the last day of the holidays, the twenty-fourth day after Christmas, called up-helly-a, or Uphalliday in Shetland, the doors were all opened and a great deal of pantomimic chasing went on to rid the area of the mischievous elves. People piously read the Bible and displayed iron ostentatiously "for it is well known that elves cannot abide the sight of iron." The infants were carefully guarded and sained by learned wise women. No doubt, we have the sign of the evil eye involved here as an ancient custom (cf. also the paper The Cross: Its Origin and Significance (No. 39))."
I mean folks, we got it ALL with this one, Christmas, alien breeding experiments (guard the baby) and those irrepressible GREYS! Streiber only begins to allude to this as a possibility, that the aliens of today are nothing more than the fairies, elves and demons of history. Of course we don't want to ascribe any motive to these entities (being politically correct like we are) but in case after case there is NO evidence of BENEFICIAL contact with these creatures.
It's good to remember that Santa started out as an elf, but it might be hard to think of the North Pole, elves and Roswell all in the same thought...
Here's the link:
http://www.ccg.org/english/s/p235.html
and here is a short excerpt:
"The Shetlanders name these holidays the Yules. Seven days before Christmas, the elves called Trows by the Shetlanders are let free from their homes in the earth and dwell above ground if it pleases them. This is the probable origin of the elf symbolism of and with Santa Claus. It seems to relate back to the concept of the misrule of the seven days of the Saturnalia leading up to 25 December.
The most important of the rituals in Yule was the saining, which had to be properly carried out to deal with the grey folk as the elves were called.
The modern myths emanating from the USA regarding alien greys, is none other than the revamping of the elves at Yule.
On the last day of the holidays, the twenty-fourth day after Christmas, called up-helly-a, or Uphalliday in Shetland, the doors were all opened and a great deal of pantomimic chasing went on to rid the area of the mischievous elves. People piously read the Bible and displayed iron ostentatiously "for it is well known that elves cannot abide the sight of iron." The infants were carefully guarded and sained by learned wise women. No doubt, we have the sign of the evil eye involved here as an ancient custom (cf. also the paper The Cross: Its Origin and Significance (No. 39))."
I mean folks, we got it ALL with this one, Christmas, alien breeding experiments (guard the baby) and those irrepressible GREYS! Streiber only begins to allude to this as a possibility, that the aliens of today are nothing more than the fairies, elves and demons of history. Of course we don't want to ascribe any motive to these entities (being politically correct like we are) but in case after case there is NO evidence of BENEFICIAL contact with these creatures.
It's good to remember that Santa started out as an elf, but it might be hard to think of the North Pole, elves and Roswell all in the same thought...
Of Saucers and visions -
There is a remarkable document found at this link:
Ezekiel's Vision
Lev 26:33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies’ land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.
Christ began his ministry at the end of a Jubilee year, and God graciously waited till the next Jubilee was finished for the sake of the righteous to destroy the nation of Israel (Israel was not completely taken by the Romans till all the harvests were finished in 77 A.D.)
The vision of Ezekiel (no matter how many times one hears that it is about UFO's) is primarily Ezekiel getting a visual story told to him of the Shekinah Glory leaving the temple and even leaving the city of Jerusalem. In them the prophet sees God lifting up and leaving the nation of Israel because of their sins:
Eze 10:18 Then the glory of the LORD departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims.
Eze 10:19 And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD’S house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.
Eze 11:22 Then did the cherubims lift up their wings, and the wheels beside them; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.
Eze 11:23 And the glory of the LORD went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.
Now this same glory will return. When it does its coming will be noted world wide:
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
One might make the argument that what he saw was a spacecraft so it will help to look at exactly what it was he saw and try to understand the meaning of it. There is a convincing argument to be made that what he saw was really the Heavenly Ark (shades of Indiana Jones!). When Moses devised the pattern for the Ark (eventually residing in the Temple) he was really working according to what he saw in the heavenlies (this is God speaking):
Ex 25:9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
Then there is the design of the Ark itself, it mimics the vision of Ezekiel:
Ex 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Ex 25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
Ex 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
Ex 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
These winged creatures are part of the heirarchy of angels known as Cherubim. In other Middle Eastern literature they become fabulous winged lions and bulls with human heads such as the one shown in this image gallery:
http://home.earthlink.net/~ironmen/images.htm
I believe that these winged creatures of Babylonian myth are not a fantasy at all but rather a corruption of the actual beings. Somehow this idea of fabulous creatures in the heavens persists in the genetic makeup of man. But the bible doesn't stop with Ezekiel in this vision of the heavenly Tabernacle, the Apostle John has almost an identical vision in the last book of the Bible, the Revelation:
Rev4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
8 ¶ And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
These beasts are the Cherubim. Their primary mission is to proclaim and enforce the idea of the holiness of God. It is the Cherubim that drive Adam and Eve from the Garden. It is their presence in Ezekiel's vision that points to the religious corruption in the house of Israel at that time. Because they have strayed so far away from God, God in his holiness cannot remain in the nation. The Cherubim appear, they uphold the heavenly throne and take it away from out of the midst of Israel.
No, I don't think that the vision of Ezekiel is in any way related to UFO's but it will be constantly thought of that way and perverted to mean that. There is a conspiracy, there is a hiding of the truth, but its nothing human or alien in origin:
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
TRUST NO ONE, GET IT VERIFIED FIRST... whether you get visions of aliens or angels, ask for their license and proof of insurance, check the scriptural guidelines!
There is a remarkable document found at this link:
Ezekiel's Vision
Lev 26:33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies’ land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.
Christ began his ministry at the end of a Jubilee year, and God graciously waited till the next Jubilee was finished for the sake of the righteous to destroy the nation of Israel (Israel was not completely taken by the Romans till all the harvests were finished in 77 A.D.)
The vision of Ezekiel (no matter how many times one hears that it is about UFO's) is primarily Ezekiel getting a visual story told to him of the Shekinah Glory leaving the temple and even leaving the city of Jerusalem. In them the prophet sees God lifting up and leaving the nation of Israel because of their sins:
Eze 10:18 Then the glory of the LORD departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims.
Eze 10:19 And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD’S house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.
Eze 11:22 Then did the cherubims lift up their wings, and the wheels beside them; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.
Eze 11:23 And the glory of the LORD went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.
Now this same glory will return. When it does its coming will be noted world wide:
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
One might make the argument that what he saw was a spacecraft so it will help to look at exactly what it was he saw and try to understand the meaning of it. There is a convincing argument to be made that what he saw was really the Heavenly Ark (shades of Indiana Jones!). When Moses devised the pattern for the Ark (eventually residing in the Temple) he was really working according to what he saw in the heavenlies (this is God speaking):
Ex 25:9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
Then there is the design of the Ark itself, it mimics the vision of Ezekiel:
Ex 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Ex 25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
Ex 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
Ex 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
These winged creatures are part of the heirarchy of angels known as Cherubim. In other Middle Eastern literature they become fabulous winged lions and bulls with human heads such as the one shown in this image gallery:
http://home.earthlink.net/~ironmen/images.htm
I believe that these winged creatures of Babylonian myth are not a fantasy at all but rather a corruption of the actual beings. Somehow this idea of fabulous creatures in the heavens persists in the genetic makeup of man. But the bible doesn't stop with Ezekiel in this vision of the heavenly Tabernacle, the Apostle John has almost an identical vision in the last book of the Bible, the Revelation:
Rev4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
8 ¶ And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
These beasts are the Cherubim. Their primary mission is to proclaim and enforce the idea of the holiness of God. It is the Cherubim that drive Adam and Eve from the Garden. It is their presence in Ezekiel's vision that points to the religious corruption in the house of Israel at that time. Because they have strayed so far away from God, God in his holiness cannot remain in the nation. The Cherubim appear, they uphold the heavenly throne and take it away from out of the midst of Israel.
No, I don't think that the vision of Ezekiel is in any way related to UFO's but it will be constantly thought of that way and perverted to mean that. There is a conspiracy, there is a hiding of the truth, but its nothing human or alien in origin:
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
TRUST NO ONE, GET IT VERIFIED FIRST... whether you get visions of aliens or angels, ask for their license and proof of insurance, check the scriptural guidelines!
Friday, November 18, 2005
Were the Wise Men lead by a UFO?
Ok, it sound really weird, like REALLY weird. But after all you have this unique situation where the wise men see a star in the East and follow it West. Nobody else sees it it seems. Cranky old Herod didn't have a clue and nobody else gets this messenger sent to them (the shepherds and Joseph get angels). Then there is this thing of the star shining over where the young child was (he wasn't in one of those cute mangers but could have been almost 2 years old and living in Nazareth).
Mt 2:9 ¶ When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
So without any further investigation, one conclusion would be that this was some sort of “Unidentified Flying Object”. But fortunately we have scripture to explain scripture. What we have to do is see what other references of phenomena like this there are. I will begin with the end of the story, or what will happen in the “Last Days”:
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Some sort of miracle is at work here, a wonder in the heavens will be seen and it is very much connected to the “Son of Man” or Christ. Notice too how the “sign” precedes the coming of Christ in glory. A sign also preceded his coming the first time and this is what the wise men from the East saw.
So what was it? More hints pop up as you look through scripture. There is this fiery pillar that led the Israelites through the wilderness. It is known as the “Shekinah Glory”:
Ex 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:
We seem to be getting closer to some sort of idea what this was. There is also a curious reference to the Glory Chariot, or “Merkabah” in Ezekiel one. This thing is apparently mobile also and moves out of the temple which the Jews have polluted with the worship of idols and gone east, through the Eastern gate. Christ will return to reign through this gate and Ezekiel describes it as an approaching “glory”. It is very descriptive in terms of “light”:
Ez 44:1 Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east:
2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.
The Shekinah Glory is a very good candidate for the identity of the “Bethlehem Star”. We can chase this farther if we want to and examine whether the Ezekiel vision was really about Flying Saucers or something else. It is almost a cliché to say that what Ezekiel saw was a flying saucer. But that is a subject for another post.
Ok, it sound really weird, like REALLY weird. But after all you have this unique situation where the wise men see a star in the East and follow it West. Nobody else sees it it seems. Cranky old Herod didn't have a clue and nobody else gets this messenger sent to them (the shepherds and Joseph get angels). Then there is this thing of the star shining over where the young child was (he wasn't in one of those cute mangers but could have been almost 2 years old and living in Nazareth).
Mt 2:9 ¶ When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
So without any further investigation, one conclusion would be that this was some sort of “Unidentified Flying Object”. But fortunately we have scripture to explain scripture. What we have to do is see what other references of phenomena like this there are. I will begin with the end of the story, or what will happen in the “Last Days”:
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Some sort of miracle is at work here, a wonder in the heavens will be seen and it is very much connected to the “Son of Man” or Christ. Notice too how the “sign” precedes the coming of Christ in glory. A sign also preceded his coming the first time and this is what the wise men from the East saw.
So what was it? More hints pop up as you look through scripture. There is this fiery pillar that led the Israelites through the wilderness. It is known as the “Shekinah Glory”:
Ex 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:
We seem to be getting closer to some sort of idea what this was. There is also a curious reference to the Glory Chariot, or “Merkabah” in Ezekiel one. This thing is apparently mobile also and moves out of the temple which the Jews have polluted with the worship of idols and gone east, through the Eastern gate. Christ will return to reign through this gate and Ezekiel describes it as an approaching “glory”. It is very descriptive in terms of “light”:
Ez 44:1 Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east:
2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.
The Shekinah Glory is a very good candidate for the identity of the “Bethlehem Star”. We can chase this farther if we want to and examine whether the Ezekiel vision was really about Flying Saucers or something else. It is almost a cliché to say that what Ezekiel saw was a flying saucer. But that is a subject for another post.
SIGNS AND WONDERS -
"Signs, signs everywhere are a signs..." One would think that signs and wonders are the validating thing about a phenomena. If a miracle happens then it MUST be something from God. We get this pablum passed our way via TV with the popularity of angels and the current cultural folklore that angels are only here to help us. But such is not the case in scripture about either the "signs" that we may see or the "starry messengers". Notice Christ's own words :
Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.Mr 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
We can see a couple of things here, first off they will be showing "great" signs and wonders. These are some very deceptive wonders also, good enough to fool even the "very elect". The next thing to notice is that false Christs and false prophets SHALL rise. The coming of false prophets will accompany the soon appearance of Christ for the world according to Matthew 24. I have found a curious thing about miracles, supernatural events and so on in scripture, they tend to increase in frequency with a soon coming action by God. Miracles and supernatural events accompany the birth an advent of Christ, they also follow the Exodus from Egypt. Would it be any wonder that the "Enemy of Our Souls" wouldn't do the same thing with a soon coming act of God?
Notice the "chain of events" the apostle Paul outlines in 2 Thessalonians. The Thessalonians were apparently getting confused because some teachers were coming along and telling them that the "Day of the Lord" had already happened:
2Thess 2:3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
First there must be a "falling away" and the Antichrist, or the man of sin, must be revealed. This falling away may be either a worldwide apostasy OR the catching away of the saints (what is known in fundamentalist circles as "The Rapture" or great disappearance, 1Thess 4:16-17). Then he would show himself to be "God" by sitting as God in the Temple. Well there is NO Temple as yet in Jerusalem so this scenario has not come to pass and we are NOT "in the Tribulation". But then there is the reference to the working of Satan with "all power and signs and lying wonders". These signs and wonders are meant to deceive and cause men to believe a lie.
We haven't seen this level of deception in the UFO phenomena at this point in the timeline though. But I believe we HAVE seen the beginnings. There is a governor in the algorithm that prohibits Satan from having full sway over the earth, in verse 6 "him that withholdeth" is still holding back the power of Satan from being shown with all its force. I believe this may refer to the Holy Spirit. When the Christians are "taken out of this world" via the Rapture, then the Holy Spirit will also be removed. Till then Satan will claim his small numbers of cultists, true believers and Heaven's Gate followers. He is still very much active but on a short leash. The typical idea that Christ and the Devil are somehow "equal foes" was part of the problem with the movie "The Exorcist", we pit God and Satan against each other as enemies in some kind of cosmic war. This is only PARTLY true. In Job 2 we see that Satan must ask permission of God to test Job. In many of these cults we find a very defensive lot who believe, sincerely believe, that what they are doing is the "work of God" or that Christ himself directed their work:
2Cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Again the warning, TRUST NO ONE...
So you could ask "Just HOW do I know the truth then in this complicated tangle of conspiracy, false miracles and supernatural broo-ha-ha?" God is not remiss in giving us a way out!
Deut 13:1 ¶ If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
If the prophet or signs and wonders CONTRADICT scripture, then you can bet your bottom dollar you are dealing with an "angel of light" whose mission is to deceive you. I can only think of the individual I contacted who sincerely thought he was being visited by the prophet Ezekiel, problem was that the prophet was giving him "another gospel", ie. you are truly "divine" and only need to have it revealed within you. I reminded this deluded soul that Satan made the exact same promise in Genesis 3 (and we know where that all lead).
"Signs, signs everywhere are a signs..." One would think that signs and wonders are the validating thing about a phenomena. If a miracle happens then it MUST be something from God. We get this pablum passed our way via TV with the popularity of angels and the current cultural folklore that angels are only here to help us. But such is not the case in scripture about either the "signs" that we may see or the "starry messengers". Notice Christ's own words :
Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.Mr 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
We can see a couple of things here, first off they will be showing "great" signs and wonders. These are some very deceptive wonders also, good enough to fool even the "very elect". The next thing to notice is that false Christs and false prophets SHALL rise. The coming of false prophets will accompany the soon appearance of Christ for the world according to Matthew 24. I have found a curious thing about miracles, supernatural events and so on in scripture, they tend to increase in frequency with a soon coming action by God. Miracles and supernatural events accompany the birth an advent of Christ, they also follow the Exodus from Egypt. Would it be any wonder that the "Enemy of Our Souls" wouldn't do the same thing with a soon coming act of God?
Notice the "chain of events" the apostle Paul outlines in 2 Thessalonians. The Thessalonians were apparently getting confused because some teachers were coming along and telling them that the "Day of the Lord" had already happened:
2Thess 2:3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
First there must be a "falling away" and the Antichrist, or the man of sin, must be revealed. This falling away may be either a worldwide apostasy OR the catching away of the saints (what is known in fundamentalist circles as "The Rapture" or great disappearance, 1Thess 4:16-17). Then he would show himself to be "God" by sitting as God in the Temple. Well there is NO Temple as yet in Jerusalem so this scenario has not come to pass and we are NOT "in the Tribulation". But then there is the reference to the working of Satan with "all power and signs and lying wonders". These signs and wonders are meant to deceive and cause men to believe a lie.
We haven't seen this level of deception in the UFO phenomena at this point in the timeline though. But I believe we HAVE seen the beginnings. There is a governor in the algorithm that prohibits Satan from having full sway over the earth, in verse 6 "him that withholdeth" is still holding back the power of Satan from being shown with all its force. I believe this may refer to the Holy Spirit. When the Christians are "taken out of this world" via the Rapture, then the Holy Spirit will also be removed. Till then Satan will claim his small numbers of cultists, true believers and Heaven's Gate followers. He is still very much active but on a short leash. The typical idea that Christ and the Devil are somehow "equal foes" was part of the problem with the movie "The Exorcist", we pit God and Satan against each other as enemies in some kind of cosmic war. This is only PARTLY true. In Job 2 we see that Satan must ask permission of God to test Job. In many of these cults we find a very defensive lot who believe, sincerely believe, that what they are doing is the "work of God" or that Christ himself directed their work:
2Cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Again the warning, TRUST NO ONE...
So you could ask "Just HOW do I know the truth then in this complicated tangle of conspiracy, false miracles and supernatural broo-ha-ha?" God is not remiss in giving us a way out!
Deut 13:1 ¶ If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
If the prophet or signs and wonders CONTRADICT scripture, then you can bet your bottom dollar you are dealing with an "angel of light" whose mission is to deceive you. I can only think of the individual I contacted who sincerely thought he was being visited by the prophet Ezekiel, problem was that the prophet was giving him "another gospel", ie. you are truly "divine" and only need to have it revealed within you. I reminded this deluded soul that Satan made the exact same promise in Genesis 3 (and we know where that all lead).
Thursday, November 17, 2005
Sitchin and the meaning of Genesis 6 -
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchinerrors.htm#nephilim
I ran across this link and thought it was one of the most marvelous things. Apparently Zechariah Sitchin's thesis that the Nephilim and Sons of God in Genesis 6 are aliens is completely bogus. His premise works something like this: the word Nephilim means "fallen ones", so one could make the argument that they had to "fall" from somewhere. His conclusion is that they fell from outer space. What Michael Heiser shows is that he has no idea what he is talking about in Hebrew or Aramaic (the ACTUAL language of the passage). The word "fallen one" refers to "spiritually fallen" NOT a physical fall at all. It is like when I say my "face has fallen" when I am sad you can take that out of context and assume it means literally my face has "fallen off". Sort of like OOOPS! I dropped it! But the context simply means I look sad. Sitchin makes this same error.
We come to the TRUE identity of the Nephilim, and the Sons of God. Sitchin makes an error (as do many well meaning scholars) in focusing on the word Nephilim (or the giants that were born before the flood. The thrust of the passage really points more to who the "Sons of God" were though. The Nephilim (whatever they were) were only the offspring of the union of Sons of God and the daughters of men.
There are TWO prevailing views; the Sons of God were angels (bad ones) OR they were the descendants of Seth, the godly line with the "daughters of men" being of the line of Cain. You can argue either side but if you fall on the side that this was the intermarriage of angelic beings and earth women you must say that the term "Sons of God" points to demons (and WHO would say that a demon is a "son of God"? many thanks to J. Vernon McGee for pointing this out). Which leaves us with only the godly line of Seth marrying those ungodly women from Cain's line, and if THIS is so then Sitchin's argument is completely wrong! We've eliminated not just aliens but any supernatural type of cohabitation entirely. But if the angel/demon idea is true then that begins to somewhat clarify some other passages in the New Testament:
Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
When we look at these passages its important to try and get a handle on the context, what is it actually talking about in the passage before and after. Remember my face "falling" off? The angels that left their first estate passage comes right in the middle of talking about heretics and those that preach false doctrine but then the passage goes on to talk about those speaking foolishly to dignities in the angelic world. So the general sense is that this is talking about false teachers and teachings, there is also a sexual component in there when it talks about Sodom and Gomorrah:
Jude 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 ¶ Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchinerrors.htm#nephilim
I ran across this link and thought it was one of the most marvelous things. Apparently Zechariah Sitchin's thesis that the Nephilim and Sons of God in Genesis 6 are aliens is completely bogus. His premise works something like this: the word Nephilim means "fallen ones", so one could make the argument that they had to "fall" from somewhere. His conclusion is that they fell from outer space. What Michael Heiser shows is that he has no idea what he is talking about in Hebrew or Aramaic (the ACTUAL language of the passage). The word "fallen one" refers to "spiritually fallen" NOT a physical fall at all. It is like when I say my "face has fallen" when I am sad you can take that out of context and assume it means literally my face has "fallen off". Sort of like OOOPS! I dropped it! But the context simply means I look sad. Sitchin makes this same error.
We come to the TRUE identity of the Nephilim, and the Sons of God. Sitchin makes an error (as do many well meaning scholars) in focusing on the word Nephilim (or the giants that were born before the flood. The thrust of the passage really points more to who the "Sons of God" were though. The Nephilim (whatever they were) were only the offspring of the union of Sons of God and the daughters of men.
There are TWO prevailing views; the Sons of God were angels (bad ones) OR they were the descendants of Seth, the godly line with the "daughters of men" being of the line of Cain. You can argue either side but if you fall on the side that this was the intermarriage of angelic beings and earth women you must say that the term "Sons of God" points to demons (and WHO would say that a demon is a "son of God"? many thanks to J. Vernon McGee for pointing this out). Which leaves us with only the godly line of Seth marrying those ungodly women from Cain's line, and if THIS is so then Sitchin's argument is completely wrong! We've eliminated not just aliens but any supernatural type of cohabitation entirely. But if the angel/demon idea is true then that begins to somewhat clarify some other passages in the New Testament:
Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
When we look at these passages its important to try and get a handle on the context, what is it actually talking about in the passage before and after. Remember my face "falling" off? The angels that left their first estate passage comes right in the middle of talking about heretics and those that preach false doctrine but then the passage goes on to talk about those speaking foolishly to dignities in the angelic world. So the general sense is that this is talking about false teachers and teachings, there is also a sexual component in there when it talks about Sodom and Gomorrah:
Jude 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 ¶ Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Its a long quote but I want to show it just to get the idea across. When seen in context, whatever the nature of the angels (if they are the Sons of God in Genesis 6) their sin had to do with false teaching, the sins of Sodom, and despising angelic/demon dignities. We get into this and this begins to sound more like the New Age! We can say one thing for sure, that if the angels were into the "Sin of Sodom" then making alien hybrid babies from earth women was NOT going to happen!
The passage in 2 Peter seems to point to the same conclusions, it is repeated almost verbatim from Jude (who quotes and is based on the Book of Enoch - not the occult volume by the way).
2Peter 2:1 ¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 ¶ And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Now whether you fall on the angelic being or godly line side, there is only one thing that you must remember; the problems with these beings these "sons of god" is that somewhere in there false doctrine comes into play as the thrust of the passages. I remember Winston Churchill's statement about the Communist Bloc (I believe) that it was a "riddle, wrapped in an enigma". ALL of this discussion on UFO's, government conspiracies, ancient astronauts, etc. may be nothing more than an elaborate "psyops" on the human race perpetrated by the Father of Lies, for that is his very nature; John 8:44. Remember what I posted before! The goal of the entities is to distort, deceive and eventually murder! Trust no one...
Wednesday, November 16, 2005
OK, we know all these creepy little aliens are interested in sex but what's with this kick on religion?
Bob Lazar (Area 51), the maybe is / maybe ain't telling the truth guy, says that there are numerous files with blacked out sections in government hands where the aliens are very interested in religion. One would wonder just WHY an advanced interstellar race would be interested in OUR primitive notions about God. He also mentions that they refer to us as some kind of "containers". Shades of Stargate and the Gou'ald! But there is perhaps a much more sinister scenario going on here. Strieber and others have remarked how the UFO/visitor phenomena is not very different from what our ancestors referred to as angels, demons and fairies. In fact in some of the writings of John Dee he refers to angelic visitations that sound much more like what would in this day and age be called alien visitations.
The notable horror fiction writer H. P. Lovecraft made the assertion in his mythos that all the phenomena we called "demons" or "angels" were in fact really aliens. Now this is convenient for the aliens. You can come down to earth, and "act like the devil" and be given a free pass because you are really an "alien". This is denial going on at a deep level. In fact I believe that just the opposite of Lovecraft's hypothesis is the truth, these "aliens" are in fact demonic. I would find agreement with much of what John Keel has written and Jaques Vallee. They both posit that the UFO phenomena is actually a "different dimension" interacting with ours. But what a dimension! To visit it is to visit the Spirit realm.
Once we have a fix on the true identity of our visitors then the reason behind their agenda and interest in religion becomes powerfully clear:
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Satan is referred to as the "prince of the power of the air", literally he is the chief ruler of happenings and going ons in the lower atmospheric regions (our air canopy). He is the one that pulls the strings on the "children of disobedience". This word is interesting, disobedience, the true import doesn't come out till you look at the Greek word "apeitheia". Sounds very similar to "apathy" does it not? But it holds the connotation of obstinancy and unbelief in the Greek. All of these goings on in the "air" are with one aim, to continue the idea of unbelief and bolster ones "obstinancy" to the gospel of Christ. Perhaps this is why some of the alien encounters have a lot of "high comedy" going on in them. Aliens are wearing cardboard suits, making paper waffles and all other sorts of nonsense. They dare not tip their hand and reveal their true nature. But if they can make ALL strange phenomena seem to be lunacy then it is much easier to deny the supernatural events of the bible.
I would be remiss if I didn't address this idea of "containers". I believe this is simply codespeak for "possession" out and and out. The famed psychic, Ruth Montgomery referred to "walk-ins", entities that would just come in and take over someone's life and begin to animate them, move them in different careers and so on. This same sort of thing may be the truth behind the so called alien's agenda.
There is good reference out there that if one is threatened with abduction or finds himself in "mid-abduction" that simply saying "Help me Jesus!" puts an end to that right then and there. But this idea of "containers" may be prophetic about world events and happenings also in the time of the Great Tribulation:
Re 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Could the much discussed "Mark of the Beast" have a spiritual component? One would think that this is only natural for the Devil to do!
In the theology of the Raelians. Everyone of us is really only a DNA experiment by an advanced civilization called the Elohim... Aside from the obvious blasphemy, its no big deal! If some crazy French race car driver wants to say that and raise a whole bunch of money, hey cool! But it gets insidious when these same entities that communicated their history to him say that Jesus was only one of their "better" experiments. We come back to the first verse I mentioned, that one of working in the children of disobedience. The goal here is to diminish the person of Christ. If we can make him less than divine, only a labe experiment performed by an advanced alien race, then there is no Christianity or salvation from sin to worry about. No wonder they seek to be cloned! You only get one pass through this world, then its oblivion.
A word of caution, if you try to use that "help me Jesus" idea and its not sincere from your heart you could be in for the fight of your life. Note the seven sons of Sceva:
Acts 19: 13 ¶ Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
They tried to use the name of Christ much like Van Helsing and crucifixes in Dracula. But Christ is not a rabbit's foot or even a magic charm to ward off demons. So the demon within simply said, "Jesus I know and Paul I know; but who are ye?" then jumped them and beat them black and blue.
This religious agenda is also brought out in the Sci Fi shows and movies. In the most recent season of Stargate the SG-1 team has to fight the "Ori", psychic preachers going from planet to planet sucking worship out of hapless souls. It sounded like a veiled attack on "origins" or creationists. You certainly got the idea that the writers were no fans of fundamentalist preachers. Arthur C. Clarke in "Childhood's End" has aliens landing that look very much like Pan, satyrs and of course the original "Satyr", the Devil. But they are only aliens and not spirits. The original Battlestar Galactica was only a veiled version of Mormon theology. It all makes you long for the good old days of horror movies when you got what you expected from aliens... (but then again you DO get what you expect if you know the real identity of our Cosmic Space Brothers!)
Bob Lazar (Area 51), the maybe is / maybe ain't telling the truth guy, says that there are numerous files with blacked out sections in government hands where the aliens are very interested in religion. One would wonder just WHY an advanced interstellar race would be interested in OUR primitive notions about God. He also mentions that they refer to us as some kind of "containers". Shades of Stargate and the Gou'ald! But there is perhaps a much more sinister scenario going on here. Strieber and others have remarked how the UFO/visitor phenomena is not very different from what our ancestors referred to as angels, demons and fairies. In fact in some of the writings of John Dee he refers to angelic visitations that sound much more like what would in this day and age be called alien visitations.
The notable horror fiction writer H. P. Lovecraft made the assertion in his mythos that all the phenomena we called "demons" or "angels" were in fact really aliens. Now this is convenient for the aliens. You can come down to earth, and "act like the devil" and be given a free pass because you are really an "alien". This is denial going on at a deep level. In fact I believe that just the opposite of Lovecraft's hypothesis is the truth, these "aliens" are in fact demonic. I would find agreement with much of what John Keel has written and Jaques Vallee. They both posit that the UFO phenomena is actually a "different dimension" interacting with ours. But what a dimension! To visit it is to visit the Spirit realm.
Once we have a fix on the true identity of our visitors then the reason behind their agenda and interest in religion becomes powerfully clear:
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Satan is referred to as the "prince of the power of the air", literally he is the chief ruler of happenings and going ons in the lower atmospheric regions (our air canopy). He is the one that pulls the strings on the "children of disobedience". This word is interesting, disobedience, the true import doesn't come out till you look at the Greek word "apeitheia". Sounds very similar to "apathy" does it not? But it holds the connotation of obstinancy and unbelief in the Greek. All of these goings on in the "air" are with one aim, to continue the idea of unbelief and bolster ones "obstinancy" to the gospel of Christ. Perhaps this is why some of the alien encounters have a lot of "high comedy" going on in them. Aliens are wearing cardboard suits, making paper waffles and all other sorts of nonsense. They dare not tip their hand and reveal their true nature. But if they can make ALL strange phenomena seem to be lunacy then it is much easier to deny the supernatural events of the bible.
I would be remiss if I didn't address this idea of "containers". I believe this is simply codespeak for "possession" out and and out. The famed psychic, Ruth Montgomery referred to "walk-ins", entities that would just come in and take over someone's life and begin to animate them, move them in different careers and so on. This same sort of thing may be the truth behind the so called alien's agenda.
There is good reference out there that if one is threatened with abduction or finds himself in "mid-abduction" that simply saying "Help me Jesus!" puts an end to that right then and there. But this idea of "containers" may be prophetic about world events and happenings also in the time of the Great Tribulation:
Re 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Could the much discussed "Mark of the Beast" have a spiritual component? One would think that this is only natural for the Devil to do!
In the theology of the Raelians. Everyone of us is really only a DNA experiment by an advanced civilization called the Elohim... Aside from the obvious blasphemy, its no big deal! If some crazy French race car driver wants to say that and raise a whole bunch of money, hey cool! But it gets insidious when these same entities that communicated their history to him say that Jesus was only one of their "better" experiments. We come back to the first verse I mentioned, that one of working in the children of disobedience. The goal here is to diminish the person of Christ. If we can make him less than divine, only a labe experiment performed by an advanced alien race, then there is no Christianity or salvation from sin to worry about. No wonder they seek to be cloned! You only get one pass through this world, then its oblivion.
A word of caution, if you try to use that "help me Jesus" idea and its not sincere from your heart you could be in for the fight of your life. Note the seven sons of Sceva:
Acts 19: 13 ¶ Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
They tried to use the name of Christ much like Van Helsing and crucifixes in Dracula. But Christ is not a rabbit's foot or even a magic charm to ward off demons. So the demon within simply said, "Jesus I know and Paul I know; but who are ye?" then jumped them and beat them black and blue.
This religious agenda is also brought out in the Sci Fi shows and movies. In the most recent season of Stargate the SG-1 team has to fight the "Ori", psychic preachers going from planet to planet sucking worship out of hapless souls. It sounded like a veiled attack on "origins" or creationists. You certainly got the idea that the writers were no fans of fundamentalist preachers. Arthur C. Clarke in "Childhood's End" has aliens landing that look very much like Pan, satyrs and of course the original "Satyr", the Devil. But they are only aliens and not spirits. The original Battlestar Galactica was only a veiled version of Mormon theology. It all makes you long for the good old days of horror movies when you got what you expected from aliens... (but then again you DO get what you expect if you know the real identity of our Cosmic Space Brothers!)
Tuesday, November 15, 2005
What in the world is going on with all these reports of aliens trying to reproduce hybrid children, stealing sperm and eggs from abductees, and mostly messing with what goes on in human bedrooms? Read on for a unique view of what the Bible infers about all this:
In Genesis 6 we read of a very strange phenomena, according to some interpreters, the "Sons of God", bnai elohim, intermarried with the "daughters of men" and produce "monsters" or giants in the earth. For this sin these particular angels were banished to dark dungeons and held with "chains of darkness" to await judgment at the end of the world:
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
This apparently was the cause of the great flood. God could not allow such monstrosities to remain in the world. But there is more to this than meets the eye. At first glance it would seem that God is just being careful or even capricious in destroying life. After all, flooding the whole world is a bit extreme! Lest you think it was just a local flood, look carefully at the wording:
Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
But what then was the reason for destroying this hybrid race? For that we go back to the 3rd chapter of Genesis and we begin to see what importance the "bloodline" would play in God's plan. Here is God talking to Satan in the form of the serpent:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Apparently the bloodline of the woman Eve would be what eventually would bear the Savior, Christ. If it would somehow become polluted, that is begin to contain the mixed demonic/human genes, it could never bear the sins of common man.
So God had to wipe out mankind and imprison these angelic entities in chains of darkness. This prison is in fact the Great Abyss that is referred to in scripture. The legion of demons that possessed the Gadarene in Luke 8 were afraid of Jesus sending them to this same prison:
Lu 8:31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
and what of to the nature of this prison?
Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
It apparently is a watery place, somewhere on (or in) the earth. The Devil himself will be consigned to the Abyss for 1000 years (Revelation 20) to be let loose one last time near the end of the Millennium.
But I have digressed too far from the original thesis of this post, what about all those experiments NOW? You should have gathered by now that I reject the "alien" hypothesis of the UFO pilots and in fact believe that they are malevolent spirits. If God has stopped this first alien reproductive push to allow the Savior to be born, why is all this happening in our age? Sort of pointless isn't it? But you have to pay attention to what the UFO entities are actually TEACHING. It came as a revelation to me that most abductees are given a "mission". That is there is some kind of "word" or thing that they must tell the world. It is religious in nature. Apparently the aliens ignore the separation of church and state clause! Their goal is exactly the same as it ever was, to somehow prohibit the Savior OR diminish his work and person.
The appearance of the "reptoids" or serpentlike aliens in many of the background stories of the abductions seems to also point to the ultimate source of these strange goings on, "That Old Serpent the Devil", Rev 12:9.
They have told contactees that Christ, Buddha, and all the great teachers of the ancient past were in fact experiments by them. So the appearance of the Christ was not "in the flesh" but a DNA experiment done by the aliens (how else could he feed 5000 so easily?) You might think that this is a GOOD thing, perhaps its really the next step in evolution. But it reveals the end times agenda of Satan and the Antichrist (WHOAA! you're really getting far afield here Marty!) Not at all, check the words of that great apostle of the Apocalypse, John:
2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an Antichrist.
If you can diminish the Christ to being less than God, and even less than man or non-human in some way you eliminate what work he could do on the cross in suffering for the rest of humankind.
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